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Michael Abrams	T Treatments - Snake Oil or Useful?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 945 (03/31/04 3:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I have followed and been a member of the T boards for about 5 years now. My T has been with me since 1990. After skimming just this board, I had made a list of possible treatments for tinnitus that have been mentioned here in the last few months. (I have left out TRT because half the bandwidth on the Internet consists of that debate. I'm interested in the "other" treatments) When I originally posted "Just Curious" on 12/14/02, there were close to 1,000 "views". Out of the entire list, there was 1 positive comment regarding the Hisonic machine, 1 positive comment regarding masking, 6 "no change" comments concerning the various vitamins, and one whose T was not affected by Bio Ear or lidocaine. I am still curious why out of 1.000 people, no one had a lot of positive things to say about any of the items on the list. (Actually, I have a strong opinion why, but I'll leave that for a later thread !!) I have reproduced the list, and have added a few more treatments that have recently been discussed. After looking over the list, please see questions below.. Acupuncture Alpha Tinnitus Formula Amino Acids Apple cider vinegar Applied Relaxation Arches Tinnitus Formula Arginine/Ornithine supplements Audiobionics Auris Medical (AM101) BanishTinnitus.com Betaserc Bio-Ear Biofeedback BIOVINCA Brain Lightning Buzz Stop Campral (Acamprosate) Candida Albicans Castor Oil Charles Vald CD Cell salts Chinese baby starfish Chiropractic Cinnamon Clarity 2 (currently called Tinni Fix) Clear Tinnitus Compazine Contact Reflex Analysis Cranial-sacral therapy DMSO EarDoc Echofone Eerie Wax 8th nerve microvascular decompression therapy Electrical Stimulation EMDR "End Tinnitus" by Mark Lorne Equitab Er Ming Zuo Ci Wan (Tsu Zu) European Mistletoe Tea Exercise FLORICAL Focus GABA Gamma knife therapy Ginko Haddasah Medical Center Hearing Aids HearAll Helichrysum HiSonic TRD Hyperbaric chambers Kevin Hogan Klonopin Laser therapy Lexapro Lidocaine Lipoflavoids Lobotomy Lorazepam/Ativan Magnetic necklace from Magcreations Magneurol6-S Meditation Memantine Microcurrent therapy MIND-STIM Moose Poo NAC Neramexane Neuromonics Neuromuscular Dentistry Neurontin Niacin Noiserelief.com Onion Juice Paprika paultobey.com Phase Shift Tinnitus Reduction (PSTR) Physiotherapy Picamilon Pigeon poo Portable shower hat Psychic Quiescence Restored Hearing LTD RingStop rTMS SCENAR device Serenitol Sermion Sintatex Sinus Massage Sleep SonaRX Sonatol Sonavil Sound Enrichment Therapy Sound Therapy International Stem Enhance Steroids Surgery(Pulsatile tinnitus) Surgery(non-Pulsatile tinnitus) Systemic Enzymes T-Gone Tebonin The Alexander Technique The Clinic (The Vertigo,Tinnitus & Pain Unit) The Inhibitor Ti Ex Tinni Fix(formerly Clarity 2) Tinnitool Tinnitus Control tinnitusmasker.com tinnitusmiracle.com Tinnitus Phase Out Tinnitus Relief System Tinnitus Tamer TinnitusWars Tinnutab Tinnutin Trazodone Ultra Quiet Vinpocetine VitaEar Whoopie Retraining Therapy (thanks to gibl) Xanax Yoga Yoku-kan-san My questions: 1) How many people on this board have tried one or more of the offerings on the list? (or know someone that has) 2) How many people on this board were satisfied with the results? (or know someone that was) In addition to the regulars here, I would really appreciate the "lurkers" to jump in with your experiences with these products/treatments. (If anyone has other treatments to add to the list, I'd be glad to type them in) Hear's to quiet times !! Michael Last Edited By: Michael Abrams 10/20/09 10:04 AM. Edited 27 times.
newbie	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#1	[-]
Posts: 1330 (04/01/04 9:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Some of these things are either unavailable or extremely difficult to find. For example, Gamma Knife Therapy, while being done for such things as acustic neuromas, is not used for idiopathic tinnitus at all. There has been some suggestions that with improvements in technology (SPECT and GRK) that once the location of tinnitus is pinpointed in the brain those selected nerve pathways could be cut using the GRK. But, that is theoretical now. As for the rest of it, I have not heard of "Brain Lightening." What is that? Laser therapy is also difficult to obtain. Until recently there has been no place in the U.S. performing this treatment. It has been done a while in Germany. (For some reason, Germany seem to be the home of a great deal of tinnitus research and treatments. Do Germans suffer from tinnitus more than other Europeans? Ok, answer to my question. It just has more people than most). Most people on this board are from the U.S., so that might explain why no one has commented on that treatment modality. Plus, I'd imagine that if someone got genuine relief from tinnitus the time they spent on a tinnitus message board would drop very rapidly and very far. Its only natural. They want to get on with their lives free of T like the rest of us wish we could. I've been reading non-stop on tinnitus treatments for four months and haven't heard of half this stuff.
Call Me Op	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#2	[-]
Posts: 6096 (04/01/04 10:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Maybe the meds help some, but there are often unwanted side effects. Otherwise, there's not much substance I'm afraid. -Op
SonnyBuzzing	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#3	[-]
Posts: 2345 (04/01/04 11:03 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	WRT is the way to go, it is a holy holistic experience with mucho benefits. It's a treatment that takes a little practice but it's time well spent. Sonny
bryears	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#4	[-]
Posts: 234 (04/01/04 11:42 AM) TSMB Supporter Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Don't forget PRT..... ! Bryan
Dirkh	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#5	[-]
Posts: 6832 (04/01/04 11:47 AM) EzOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Great list. Needs the addition of "sound enrichment therapy," however-- which is the single most effective treatment of all, judging by the responses of our members. A little white noise takes many of us a long way towards relief. In addition to the use of sound generators, I had very good luck with Klonopin in the early stages. Dirkh
ebyrne	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#6	[-]
Posts: 1243 (04/01/04 1:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	www.yts.se/english/index.htm Michael, Please add the above to the list' It is the Swedish Vertigo, Tinnitus and Pain Clinic. Elly
Gustavzz	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#7	[-]
Posts: 734 (04/01/04 4:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	regarding people who are cured and never come back. I make a promise to G-d, that if he cures me, i will be dedicated to finding a cure for everyone Amen
ringerruth	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#8	[-]
Posts: 836 (04/05/04 3:01 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just spotted this post. I haven't tried any of those things on the list! One thing I did try was acupuncture. I didn't hold out much hope to be honest. I saw a well-respected practitioner (who works one day a week at a cancer hospital in London - no she doesn't cure the patients but she uses acupuncture to help them deal with pain, etc...) She was honest and said she had never treated anyone for T before but she would do all she could to try and help. Well, I had treatment for a few months - the T did NOT improve - but the one thing that the acupuncture did was it REALLY helped me sleep. I don't know how it did this as I didn't even enjoy having needles stuck in me, but it seemed to induce deep relaxation. (Of course, there are lots of other techniques that can be used to aid good sleep.) Guess I'm saying it helped in a roundabout way. Sleep restored - feel better the next day - increased ability to deal with T and stress it caused!
Michael Abrams	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#9	[-]
Posts: 945 (04/05/04 1:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Out of 270+ views, no one has been helped by anything listed? Maybe "snake oil" wasn't that harsh after all ?? I really hoped we'd have a few dozen people say that something on the above list helped. I even added a few since the original post.
Woramorf	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#10	[-]
Posts: 368 (04/05/04 3:23 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You forgot to mention steroids. I have talked to people who say there T was eliminated by taking steroids.
Dirkh	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#11	[-]
Posts: 6832 (04/06/04 9:21 AM) EzOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Michael: I posted above about 2 things on your list that really worked well for me. Dirkh
Michael Abrams	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#12	[-]
Posts: 945 (04/06/04 10:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That is true Dirkh - sorry 'bout that ! So here is the score so far: Views: 60,000+ Accupuncture Alpha Tinnitus Formula Amino Acids Apple cider vinegar Applied Relaxation Arches Tinnitus Formula ONE VOTE Arginine/Ornithine supplementsONE VOTE Audiobionics Auris Medical (AM101) BanishTinnitus.com Betaserc ONE VOTE Bio-Ear ONE VOTE Biofeedback Brain Lightning Buzz Stop Candida Albicans Castor Oil Charles Vald CD Cell salts Chiropractic Cinnamon Clarity 2 (currently called Tinni Fix) Clear Tinnitus Compazine ONE VOTE Contact Reflex Analysis Cranial-sacral therapy ONE VOTE DMSO EarDoc Echofone Eerie Wax 8th nerve microvascular decompression therapy Electrical Stimulation EMDR Equitab Er Ming Zuo Ci Wan (Tsu Zu) ONE VOTE European Mistletoe Tea Exercise ONE VOTE FLORICAL Focus GABA Gamma knife therapy Ginko Haddasah Medical Center HearAll Helichrysum HiSonic TRD ONE VOTE Hyperbaric chambers Klonopin THREE VOTES Laser therapy Lexapro Lidocaine Lipoflavoids Lobotomy Lorazepam/Ativan Magnetic necklace from Magcreations Magneurol6-S MeditationONE VOTE Memantine Microcurrent therapy MIND-STIM Moose Poo NAC Neramexane Neuromonics Neuromuscular Dentistry Neurontin NiacinONE VOTE Noiserelief.com ONE VOTE Onion Juice Paprika paultobey.com Phase Shift Tinnitus Reduction (PSTR) Physiotherapy ONE VOTE Picamilon Pigeon Poo Portable shower hat Psychic Quiescence RingStop rTMS SCENAR device Serenitol Sermion Sintatex Sinus Massage Sleep SonaRX ONE VOTE Sonatol Sonavil Sound Enrichment Therapy TWO VOTES Sound Therapy International Stem Enhance Steroids Surgery(Pulsatile tinnitus) Surgery(non-Pulsatile tinnitus) Systemic Enzymes T-Gone Tebonin The Alexander Technique The Clinic (The Vertigo,Tinnitus & Pain Unit) The Inhibitor Ti Ex Tinni Fix(formerly Clarity 2) Tinnitool Tinnitus Control tinnitusmiracle.com Tinnitus Phase Out Tinnitus Relief System Tinnitus Tamer TinnitusWars Tinnutab Tinnutin Trazodone Ultra Quiet Vinpocetine VitaEar Whoopie Retraining Therapy (thanks to gibl) THREE VOTES Xanax THREE VOTES Yoga Yoku-kan-san Last Edited By: Michael Abrams 10/22/09 11:15 AM. Edited 25 times.
jchinnis	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....	#13	[-]
Posts: 12436 (04/06/04 3:36 PM) Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sound enrichment therapy helped me.
Lynne H	Re: still curious	#14	[-]
Posts: 7112 (04/06/04 7:04 PM) Retired Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You forgot eerie wax and pigeon poo and the portable shower hat.
freddie connor	Re: still curious	#15	[-]
Posts: 12419 (04/07/04 3:07 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Lynne, my pigeon pooh is still for sale. $100 a bucket full. You bathe in it every day. You lose so many friends that you are more concerned about that than T. I am still working on the shower helmet. I just gotta find a way to drag 100 gallons of water around with ease. Please dont think I am flippant folk. i take t as serious as anyone. Freddie.
pkaasa	Re: still curious	#16	[-]
Posts: 10914 (04/07/04 8:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Freddie, you twit, The portable shower hat is MY invention! You'll have to share the royalites. BTW , my Moose poo cure is a great improvement over your Pigeon poo. Pat.
ebyrne	Re: still curious	#17	[-]
Posts: 1243 (04/07/04 1:07 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hadn't even noticed that Eeriewax was in there. Thank you so much. A Little light relief: eebee.net/eeriewax.shtml Elly
Gustavzz	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....Impressed:	#18	[-]
Posts: 734 (04/09/04 11:22 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am extremely impressed with your list. that took a lot of work. I actually posted something called need explanation of different sound theapies. If we could put this into a excel spread sheet that would be grea and keep adding or revising.
Michael Abrams	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....Impressed:	#19	[-]
Posts: 945 (04/09/04 11:48 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the kind words Gustavzz. If you'd give me specifics (names) I'd be more than glad to add every sound enrichment therapy to the list. With my OCD, I love lists and updating them !!
Gustavzz	Re: Still Just Curious about treatments....Impressed:	#20	[-]
Posts: 734 (04/13/04 7:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	michael: i can't figure it out myself

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